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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:33, 4 June 2018 (UTC) [1].[reply]
List of international goals scored by Cristiano Ronaldo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 19:36, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My other lists, although long in the nomination tooth, are fully supported with no outstanding issues. This one, about some guy called Ronaldo, may generate a bit more interest, or at least I hope so. All comments are welcome, and I will endeavour to fix any issues raised as soon as is humanly possible. Thanks to you all for your generous time and effort. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:36, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Scoring in a shoot-off is more relevant to a "Goals scored by..." list than saying "Following Portugal's win at UEFA Euro 2016, Ronaldo lifted the trophy as his team's captain". Also 3rd goalscorer worldwide is relevant. Nergaal (talk) 20:39, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sure you're right, but could you clarify what you would like to include, what sources you have, and what you'd like to remove? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:54, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- AFAICT Ronaldo is the 3rd among all-time goalscorers in international games. And, you have repeatedly rejected mentioning shoot-off "goals" in such lists, yet I see you talk in the introduction about how he won a championship as a captain in which he only scored once. Nergaal (talk) 13:06, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- "Ronaldo has scored goals [...], hence becoming the first player to score [...], which also makes him second [...]." I can't believe you see nothing wrong with this sentence structure. Nergaal (talk) 13:06, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Who said I can't see anything wrong with this sentence structure? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:07, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- "Ronaldo has scored goals [...], hence becoming the first player to score [...], which also makes him second [...]." I can't believe you see nothing wrong with this sentence structure. Nergaal (talk) 13:06, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- AFAICT Ronaldo is the 3rd among all-time goalscorers in international games. And, you have repeatedly rejected mentioning shoot-off "goals" in such lists, yet I see you talk in the introduction about how he won a championship as a captain in which he only scored once. Nergaal (talk) 13:06, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Slightly perverse as it may sound, kicking the ball into the net during a shoot-out is not considered to equate to scoring a goal, so there is no reason to mention it in a "list of goals" article -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:52, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I never said equating it to a goal. It is still "scoring", and has more to do with a goal than lifting a trophy (mentioned in the intro) does to scoring a goal. Nergaal (talk)
- No, we're not including penalty shootout goals here. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- we're not including penalty shootout goals. Glad to see lifting cups have a place here though /s. Nergaal (talk) 12:01, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you've missed the point, but thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:01, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- You have tried so hard to ignore what I said that EVEN NOW the list does not state that Ronaldo IS the 3rd highest international goalscorer in history. That is definitely the type of achievement not relevant to THE list of international goals by him. And it's not like this intro doesn't already mention that Ronaldo is number 2 in continental qualifiers. That same refferece in use here lists like 5 goal-scoring records not listed in the obviously-subpar introduction. Meanwhile, there are STILL phrases like "he scored the only goal in a UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying match against Armenia, his 23rd in European Championship matches. This surpassed the record previously held by". Excellent phrasing, definitely featured-level prose /s. Nergaal (talk) 14:57, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm finding it difficult to follow your comment, it's like a negative-negative-negative-positive-negative-negative sentence. If you bullet point your list of concerns, and add sources to back up your claims which you would prefer to see included in the list, that's fine. If you just want to yell and be sarcastic, that's fine too, but you'll be ignored. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:53, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- You have tried so hard to ignore what I said that EVEN NOW the list does not state that Ronaldo IS the 3rd highest international goalscorer in history. That is definitely the type of achievement not relevant to THE list of international goals by him. And it's not like this intro doesn't already mention that Ronaldo is number 2 in continental qualifiers. That same refferece in use here lists like 5 goal-scoring records not listed in the obviously-subpar introduction. Meanwhile, there are STILL phrases like "he scored the only goal in a UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying match against Armenia, his 23rd in European Championship matches. This surpassed the record previously held by". Excellent phrasing, definitely featured-level prose /s. Nergaal (talk) 14:57, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you've missed the point, but thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:01, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- we're not including penalty shootout goals. Glad to see lifting cups have a place here though /s. Nergaal (talk) 12:01, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- No, we're not including penalty shootout goals here. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I never said equating it to a goal. It is still "scoring", and has more to do with a goal than lifting a trophy (mentioned in the intro) does to scoring a goal. Nergaal (talk)
- Slightly perverse as it may sound, kicking the ball into the net during a shoot-out is not considered to equate to scoring a goal, so there is no reason to mention it in a "list of goals" article -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:52, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- My only comment is this bit: "Ronaldo has scored 30 goals in FIFA World Cup qualifiers, and 20 in UEFA Euro qualifiers, hence becoming the first player ever to score 50 goals in European qualifiers, which also makes him second in the list of all-time top scorers in European qualifiers, behind Poland's Robert Lewandowski" - people may be confused by the (seeming) fact that Ronaldo is the first player to hit 50 yet is only second on the all-time list, so it would be worth clarifying that he was the first to hit 50 but that Lewandowski has since overtaken him -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:51, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Chris, thanks. I've tried a re-word and sentence split to hopefully clarify this. Let me know what you think? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:11, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - all looks good now (you missed a pipe out of the As Of template, I fixed that for you.....) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:58, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Tsk, thanks! The Rambling Man (talk) 11:03, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support – I'm not a fan of football or soccer, but the list looks really good. Great work.--Lirim | T 09:24, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
| Resolved comments from Courcelles (talk) 17:32, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply] |
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*"the most goals among currently active players" Assume you mean international goals here?
Courcelles (talk) 17:03, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support. Courcelles (talk) 17:32, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:19, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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